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You Can Use Windows 11 on Unsupported Hardware, But You May Not Want to

Is your device compatible with the next version of Windows?
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Windows 11 is going to be a major upgrade. But before you can get there, Microsoft wants you to have the necessary hardware. The company published a blog post officially detailing the system requirements for Windows 11. It lays out the processors and systems that will be compatible with the new operating system, while also helping clear out some of the confusion caused by the company’s initial guidance on the necessary hardware.

Microsoft’s list of system requirements includes at least a 1GHz or faster CPU, 4GB of RAM, and 64GB of storage. Devices will also need version 2.0 of the Trusted Platform Module (TPM), which aids with security clearance and is available on most modern motherboards.

The list of Windows 11-ready Intel, AMD, and Qualcomm processors includes the usual cadre of Intel 8th Gen and beyond CPUs. Most notably, there’s a chunk of 7th Gen Intel Core Kaby Lake and first-generation AMD Zen CPUs not on the list, which is a bit of a surprise considering these SoCs were released in 2016 and 2017, respectively. The only 7th-generation Intel processors listed as compatible are Intel Core X-series processors, Xeon W-series processors, and, specifically, the Core i7-7820HQ processor, which is the CPU used inside Microsoft’s own Surface Studio 2.

AMD’s first-gen Ryzen chip didn’t make the chopping block. “After carefully analyzing the first generation of AMD Zen processors in partnership with AMD, together we concluded that there are no additions to the supported CPU list,” writes Microsoft. The company adds that devices that didn’t meet the minimum hardware requirements “had 52 percent more kernel mode crashes” in Windows 11, whereas those that met the minimum hardware requirements “had a 99.8 percent crash-free experience.”

If you happen to fall into the category of devices that aren’t officially supported, you can still install Windows 11 with a bit of software sleuthing. Either keep your version of Windows 11 on the Windows Insider Program or create a Windows 11 ISO file and install it manually. But take into consideration Microsoft’s warnings on how the system might perform.

Microsoft explained it settled on the minimum system requirements to prioritize support for things like modern DCH drivers and the aforementioned TPM security. It’s part of a larger move on Microsoft’s end to modernize its long-standing legacy software. The consolidation should help improve the overall reliability of the Windows platform.

Before you plan to update, Microsoft will release a new version of its PC Health Check app to help guide you toward whether your device is ready for Windows 11. The app is currently in testing with Windows Insiders users, though it should be rolling out in the coming weeks.

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Google’s Pixel 5a Gets Leaked Ahead of Launch Later This Month

While the upcoming Pixel 5a looks to feature a similar design to last year’s Pixel 4a 5G (pictured above), new leaks suggest its internal specs are closer to those of the standard Pixel 5.
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After not making an appearance earlier this summer as previously expected, new leaks have now revealed a bunch of the Pixel 5a core specs ahead of its official release later this month.

According to Front Page Tech’s Jon Prosser, the Pixel 5a is set to go on sale on August 26, though strangely it seems the phone will only be available in two countries (at least initially): the U.S. and Japan.

But more importantly, Prosser also detailed a few of the Pixel 5a’s headline specs, which appear to be quite similar to last year’s Pixel 5, but with a much larger display. Prosser says the Pixel 5a will feature a 6.4-inch display (most likely using an OLED panel) with a 90Hz refresh rate, which would be a significant jump up from the 6-inch screen on the Pixel 5 or the 6.2-inch display on the Pixel 4a 5G. And unlike last year, there doesn’t seem to be a smaller or cheaper version of the Pixel 5a like we got with the standard Pixel 4a. 

Other specs are rumored to include a Qualcomm Snapdragon 765 chip (which should mean the Pixel 5a will come with 5G connectivity), 6GB of RAM, and a decently large 4,650 mAh battery. Though sadly, unlike the Pixel 5, it seems the Pixel 5a won’t come with support for wireless charging.

Notably, the Pixel 5a is also expected to feature the same cameras used on last year’s Pixel 5, while also supporting an IP67 rating for dust and water resistance and a dedicated 3.5mm audio jack. As for the Pixel 5a’s design, based on recent renders, it seems Google is sticking with a very minimalist approach, with the Pixel 5a featuring a simple matte black body, rear fingerprint sensor, and a punch-hole selfie cam in the top left corner—which is basically the same as last year’s Pixel 4a 5G.

It’s also important to note that while Google has yet to reveal pricing for the Pixel 6, with Google’s upcoming flagship not only getting a fresh new design, a new custom-built SoC, an in-screen fingerprint reader, and improved cameras, it’s clear Google is positioning the Pixel 6 as a high-end premium device. And if the Pixel 6 comes out with a price tag of around $800 or more, that could make the Pixel 5a a more important alternative for anyone looking for an affordable mid-range alternative.

Even though Prosser’s track record of leaks has been somewhat spotty this year (especially when it comes to his Apple leaks), he says that due to the nature of his source, he is “confident” that the details above will be what we get on the final device. Either way, with Prosser saying the Pixel 5a is due out on August 26, we should know a lot more before the end of the month.

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Qualcomm stock dips amid Google Tensor announcement

The Android smartphone market, especially in the US, has long been dominated by Qualcomm’s Snapdragon chips. As Google confirmed that its next flagship Pixel would use its own “Tensor” chipsets, Qualcomm was quick to confirm it wasn’t done working on Pixels.

Just after Google’s announcement of “Tensor” earlier today, Qualcomm’s publicly-traded stock took a hit in the minutes following the reveal. The dip wasn’t major by any means, only dropping from roughly $153 to close out the day at just shy of $149, but the cause for the immediate drop was certainly clear.

Qualcomm, though, was quick to respond to the situation, issuing a brief statement to CNBC and Walter Bloomberg. In the statement, Qualcomm says that it will “continue to work with Google” on current and future “products.” Given the context, it’s probably safe to assume this is referring to Pixel phones.

Qualcomm will continue to work closely with Google on existing and future products based on Snapdragon platforms.

– Qualcomm Spokesperson

The latter information is likely referring to the Pixel 5a which is expected to be launched later this month. We previously reported that the phone will be using the same Snapdragon 765G chip found in Pixel 4a 5G and Pixel 5.

Given the “market-leading” position Google says that Tensor falls into, it remains unclear at this point if the Pixel A-series will adopt the in-house design or stick with Qualcomm beyond this year’s release. Google and Qualcomm also announced collaborations on improving long-term Android updates for Snapdragon devices.

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Samsung’s Smartwatch Chip Could Be a Game-Changer for Wear OS

Photo: Victoria Song/Gizmodo

Good news for those of you who are eagerly waiting to see what’s new for Android smartwatches. According to a new SamMobile report, Samsung’s next-gen Wear OS devices will be powered by a beefy new chip called the Exynos W920—and at least on paper, the gains are promising.

Let’s get to the nitty-gritty. The Exynos W920 will reportedly be 1.25 times faster, with 1.5GB of RAM and 8.8 times the graphic performance compared to the Exynos 9110, the chip that’s powered every Samsung smartwatch since the Galaxy Watch. SamMobile also says Samsung specifically created this chip for the new Wear, a unified platform that mashes together the best bits of Tizen OS and the old Wear OS. Just looking at the numbers, this is massive. No Wear OS watch currently on the market has more than 1GB of RAM, and the overwhelming majority are still running on last-gen processors.

These specs dovetail with a rumor we heard in May from leaker Ice Universe, who claimed the new Samsung watches would sport a 5nm processor. But hasn’t Wear OS’s problems been mostly about neglected software and incremental updates? Well, to an extent, yes. However, another massive problem has been that, until now, nearly all Wear OS watches have been powered by Qualcomm’s lackluster Snapdragon Wear platform. The Snapdragon Wear chips have always used incredibly outdated processor tech, putting it far behind Samsung’s Exynos and Apple’s S-series processors. That in turn led to a chicken-and-egg scenario. No matter what software updates Google would push out, they would always be somewhat hamstrung by the Snapdragon Wear chips.

For years Wear OS languished on the Snapdragon Wear 2100 chip, which was built on 28nm process tech. This was process node tech that was superseded by 22nm in 2012. That’s two years before the first Wear OS—then Android Wear—smartwatches ever showed up. The Snapdragon Wear platform didn’t get a meaningful update until 2018, when Qualcomm announced the Snapdragon Wear 3100 platform. While it added a co-processor, this chip was also based on 28nm tech. In 2018, both Apple and Samsung had moved on to 7nm and 10nm process tech, respectively. Last June, Qualcomm announced its Snapdragon Wear 4100 platform, which promised to boost processing power from 28nm… to 12nm. While that’s a significant boost, it’s still tech that’s several generations behind. In 2021, there are still only two Wear OS smartwatches that use Qualcomm’s 4100 platform: Mobvoi’s TicWatch Pro 3 and the TicWatch Pro 3 LTE.

This is a big reason why Wear OS smartwatches often felt laggy in comparison to Samsung’s Tizen OS watches, Apple Watches, and less power-intensive Fitbits. It’s also why marquee features like LTE connectivity and sleep-tracking took so long to make their way to Wear OS hardware.

So the fact that the first smartwatches to feature the new unified platform will be powered by chips using current process tech? That’s worth noting. It’s absolutely not a guarantee that the new platform will be outstanding, or that it won’t have growing pains to overcome. However, it’s at least giving this fledging platform a chance to start off on the best foot possible.

When Samsung and Google officially announced their collaboration, Gizmodo asked if it was possible that Samsung might license its processor tech to other companies in the space. At the time, Samsung declined to comment. It’s very possible that it won’t and that this beefy processor will only work on Samsung watches. However, if it does make its way to other smartwatches, that would be huge. And even if it doesn’t, proving that the new Wear OS could be great on current hardware might give Qualcomm a kick in the butt to stop dragging its feet on updating its Snapdragon Wear platform. Or, who knows? Perhaps it might inspire other vendors to experiment with their own SoC and bypass Qualcomm entirely.

Whatever ends up happening, a capable processor that can showcase Wear OS’s actual potential is long overdue—and it’s reason to hope that Google and Samsung are serious about this new venture succeeding.

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New Pixel 6 Leak Reveals Specs Months Ahead of Launch

If these leaked specs are accurate, Google seems to be taking a very different approach with the Pixel 6 than it did for the Pixel 5 (pictured above).
Photo: Sam Rutherford

Google isn’t expected to announce its next flagship phones until sometime this fall, but now a recent leak may have just revealed the specs for the upcoming Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro months ahead of schedule.

Now before we get into the specs themselves, it’s important to note that these leaks are coming from Jon Prosser, who has had a spotty track record as of late when it comes to leaks and predictions. That said, these new leaked specs seem to be in line with previous rumors and forecasts, so while every detail may not end up being 100% accurate, this leak should give us a decent idea of what Google is working on for later this fall.

According to a “very trusted source” who spoke to Prosser, the Pixel 6 line will be split into two different models, the standard 6.4-inch Pixel (codenamed Oriel), and the larger Pixel 6 Pro (codenamed Raven).

The standard Pixel 6 specs are said to include:

  • 6.4-inch Samsung-made AMOLED screen
  • 8GB of RAM
  • 128GB or 256GB of storage
  • 8-MP selfie cam
  • 50-MP (primary) and 12-MP (ultra-wide) rear cams
  • 4,614 mAh battery

Meanwhile, the Pixel 6 Pro specs are said to include:

  • 6.71-inch LG-made pOLED screen
  • 12GB of RAM
  • 128GB, 256GB, or 512GB of RAM
  • 12-MP selfie cam
  • 50-MP (primary), 48-MP (telephoto), and a 12-MP (ultra-wide) rear cams
  • 5,000 mAh battery

Also, both the Pixel 6 and 6 Pro are expected to be powered by a custom Google chipset and will feature support for Wi-Fi 6e and 5G connectivity.

Just by looking at those leaked specs, there are a couple of notable takeaways. The first is that with 4,614 mAh and 5,000 mAh batteries, the Pixel 6 and 6 Pro would have the largest battery capacity of any Pixel yet by far, which should go a long way towards addressing a common complaint about the Pixel line: mediocre battery life.

But on top of that, aside from the standard Pixel 6 having just two rear cams, for once it feels like Google isn’t skimping on hardware for its upcoming Pixel, which stands in stark contrast to last year’s Pixel 5 which didn’t even attempt to compete with other high-end Android phones. Personally (and I’m sure I’m not the only one), one thing I’ve been wanting Google to do for a long time is put a bigger focus on specs and hardware, and if these leaks are accurate, it seems that might finally happen with the Pixel 6. Google is even bringing back a dedicated telephoto cam for the Pixel 6 Pro, which we haven’t seen on a Pixel since the Pixel 4. 

Unfortunately, there’s no word on an exact price or release date for the Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro yet, though Prosser says we should keep an eye out for more info in October.

Additionally, even before the Pixel 6 comes out, there’s another Pixel that’s rumored to be on the way. Just this week, the Pixel 5a was spotted in a filing with the FCC (via Android Police), suggesting that we could see a concrete release date in the near future, most likely before the Pixel 6 comes out in the fall.

Aside from some light info about sub-6Ghz 5G support, there aren’t a lot of details regarding the Pixel 5a’s specs. Previous rumors have hinted that the Pixel 5a will include a 6.2-inch OLED display, two rear cameras (including an ultra-wide cam), and possibly a Qualcomm Snapdragon 765G processor.

Either way, Google’s been relatively quiet in terms of new devices throughout the spring and summer thus far (aside from the Pixel Buds Series-A), and it’s starting to feel like the company could be prepping for a huge wave of new gadgets later this fall, so stay tuned for more info as we get it.

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Qualcomm and ASUS made a phone for Snapdragon Insiders

ASUS and Qualcomm have teamed up to make a smartphone that shows off some of the latter’s mobile tech. Although the phone is ostensibly for the 1.6 million members of the Snapdragon Insiders program (which is a bit like Microsoft’s Windows Insider early-access scheme), it’ll be more broadly available by August.

The snappily named Smartphone for Snapdragon Insiders harnesses Qualcomm’s Snapdragon 888 5G chipset (but not the latest Snapdragon 888+). It has a 2.84 GHz octa-core processor and the Adreno 660 GPU. It has what Qualcomm describes as “the most comprehensive support for all key 5G sub-6 and mmWave bands” of any device, along with WiFi 6 and WiFi 6E support with speeds of up to 3.6 Gbps. You’ll get 16GB of LPDDR5 memory and 512GB of storage.

The 6.78-inch AMOLED display from Samsung has a 144 Hz refresh rate, which could help make it a solid gaming phone. The screen has up to 1,200 nits of brightness and it’s HDR10 and HDR10+ certified. The phone has three rear cameras: a 64MP main lens, 12MP ultrawide camera and 8MP telephoto. The array can capture video in up to 8K. The device also has a 24MP front camera and AI auto-zoom.

Qualcomm says this is one of the first phones to support Snapdragon Sound, which has features including low Bluetooth latency, listening profiles, active noise cancellation (ANC) and high-resolution audio support up to 24-bit 96kHz. Along with stereo speakers, the phone comes with Master & Dynamic true wireless ANC earbuds and a charging case for them.

Qualcomm

There’s also Qualcomm Quick Charge 5 support, which should charge the 4000mAh battery up to 70 percent of capacity in half an hour or fully in 52 minutes, according to the company. In addition, the phone has dual SIM slots and it runs on stock Android 11.

The device draws from previous ASUS smartphones. It pulls from the ROG Phone 5’s body design and the ZenFone 8 Flip’s camera module. Still, it’s a showcase for Qualcomm’s mobile tech. The company is facing some challenges on the mobile processor front, with many phone makers working on their own chips. Showing off its knowhow with its own smartphone seems like a solid idea for Qualcomm. That way, it can perhaps remind people what it can do.

The ASUS-designed Smartphone for Snapdragon Insiders will initially be available in a few countries, including the US, UK, Japan and South Korea. It’ll arrive in India later. You’ll be able to buy the $1,499 device at ASUSTeK’s eShop and other retailers.

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Qualcomm can beat Apple M1 chip, says CEO, for one reason

Qualcomm can beat Apple’s M1 chip, says the company’s CEO, for one good reason: It has a team of chip architects who formerly worked on Apple Silicon. This includes former A-series chip lead Gerard Williams.

You may recall Apple was so upset at Williams leaving the company that it sued him, accusing him of exploiting Apple tech and poaching other key engineers…

Background

Williams and two other former Apple chip execs left the company in 2019 to create a new chip company, Nuvia. The trio said at the time that they were planning to compete with Intel and AMD.

Apple didn’t believe them, and said their true intention was to force Apple to acquire the company, effectively buying back its own tech.

That dispute was still unresolved when there was a fresh development earlier this year: Qualcomm bought Nuvia for $1.4 billion. That gave the chipmaker access to much of the expertise behind the development of Apple’s M1 chip.

Claim that Qualcomm can beat Apple M1

Reuters reports on the latest development.

Longtime processor suppliers Intel Corp and Advanced Micro Devices have no chips as energy efficient as Apple’s. Qualcomm Chief Executive Cristiano Amon told Reuters on Thursday he believes his company can have the best chip on the market, with help from a team of chip architects who formerly worked on the Apple chip but now work at Qualcomm.

Amon doesn’t seem totally confident in this claim, as he does have a plan B in mind.

If Arm, which we’ve had a relationship with for years, eventually develops a CPU that’s better than what we can build ourselves, then we always have the option to license from Arm.

Qualcomm currently remains an Apple supplier, making modem chips for iPhones. A lengthy legal battle between the two companies over patent royalties got extremely heated before it was finally settled in 2019. This latest development could inflame tempers again, though Qualcomm may figure it has little to lose as Apple gets closer to designing its own wireless chips.

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Watch Windows 11 in Action on Windows Mobile and Android

What Windows 11 would look like running on a render of an old Windows Phone.
Image: Lumia WOA Project

It hasn’t even been a whole week, and Windows 11 has already been successfully ported over to a smartphone. A very committed student of engineering, Gustave Monce, published a video to YouTube showing the latest developer preview of Windows 11 running on an old Windows Phone.

The phone is a Lumia 950 XL, which you may remember once tried to usher in the era of Windows 10 Mobile. It was also the last Windows Mobile phone, and is now somehow a bonafide collector’s item.

“It all started really five years ago, when Windows 10 Mobile was near obsolescence,” Monce said in an interview with the The Verge about the Lumia WOA Project.

Monce is right about Windows Phone being in a near-extinction phase at the time. The platform was struggling even before then to hold on to its barely 2% market share as Android and iOS devices proliferated.

Monce’s video showing Windows 11 on a Lumia 950 XL.

Monce teamed up with another classmate, Bingxing Wang, who was also into the idea of running a desktop OS on the Lumia’s 5.7-inch screen.

“As time went on and we started talking about it, discussion groups formed and in turn we had a community of people interested in running full Windows 10 on Lumia 950s,” Monce told The Verge.

The team now consists of 15 people working on the WOA Project. They worked together on the Windows 11 port by reverse-engineering the work they had already done with Windows 10 and 10X.

Android users have also gotten in on the Doing It Because You Can fun, if you’re the type of person who calls this sort of thing “fun”—I don’t, but I also had a nervous breakdown fixing the CSS on my website, so that’s where I’m coming from. XDA surfaced how developers behind The Renegade Project got Windows 11 to boot on a OnePlus 6T. It even has some of the operating system’s core functions working as intended, including Bluetooth and USB input. The actual desktop size is small and snipped, but otherwise, it’s fun! Pure fun!

Video from a developer showing Windows 11 running on a OnePlus 6T.

In all sincerity, it’s neat to see what’s possible with a bit of patience and a knack for reconfiguring. But it’s also an indication of Windows 11’s scalability relative to older versions. In the videos embedded above, Windows is natively running on ARM-based CPUs. Previously, Windows 10 could only run if it was emulated on Qualcomm-based tablets and, as exhibited here, smartphones. But because Microsoft rebuilt the binaries of Windows 11 on ARM with ARM64EC, it’s possible to go in and remap parts of the OS to get it running on older hardware.

You could probably try it yourself if you had the wherewithal. The Renegade Project, at least, allows you to download the source code and tinker with it yourself. The WOA Project also has plenty of guides to help you walk through what the process would be like to revive that old Windows Phone you have stowed away in your closet.



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Fairphone suggests Qualcomm is the biggest barrier to long-term Android support

Enlarge / The Fairphone 2 and its many modules.

Fairphone—the sustainable, modular smartphone company—is still shipping updates to the 5-year-old Fairphone 2. The company won’t win any awards for speed, but the phone—which launched in 2015 with Android 5—is now being updated to Android 9.0. The most interesting part of this news is a video from Fairphone detailing the update process the company went through, which offers more transparency than we normally get from a smartphone manufacturer. To hear Fairphone tell the story of Android updates, the biggest barrier to longer-term support is—surprise!—Qualcomm.

Fairphone wants consumers to keep their phones for longer, creating less e-waste and carbon emissions via modular replacement parts that are easily upgradeable and repairable. A big challenge for designing a long-lasting phone like this is software support. Even if Fairphone wanted to support a phone forever, Android software updates do not work that way, and major OS updates normally rely on a relay race of companies that all need to hand-off a build of Android before it reaches your phone.

We’ve gone over this before, but let’s do a quick recap of how Android makes it to your smartphone. First, Google releases builds of AOSP (the Android Open Source Project) to everyone. This doesn’t run on a phone yet, though. First, your SoC (System on a Chip) manufacturer (usually Qualcomm) has to get hold of it and customize Android for a particular SoC, adding drivers and other hardware support. Then, that build goes to your phone manufacturer (Fairphone, in this case) which adds support for the rest of the hardware—things like cameras, the display, and any other accessories—along with built-in apps and any custom Android skin work that the company wants to do.

Enlarge / How an Android update gets from a repository to your phone. First, Google releases code, then Qualcomm adds SoC support, then Fairphone adds hardware support, Google apps, and other customizations, then the update must pass Google’s tests.

Fairphone

As a 5-year-old phone, the Fairphone 2 has a Qualcomm Snapdragon 801 SoC, which is a major problem if you’re trying to do long-term support. Fairphone software engineer Karsten Tausche explained in the video, “Qualcomm stopped supporting the chipset already, after Android 6, and that made the update to Android 7 way more difficult than, for example, the update to Android 6.” Fairphone says it worked around the lack of Qualcomm support thanks to LineageOS, the Android community’s biggest custom ROM project. Just like how your SoC and hardware manufacturer would officially get AOSP builds ready for a device, Lineage also builds device-specific, ready-to-boot versions of Android from the source and releases them to everyone as an aftermarket ROM. Qualcomm is the only company with full access to Qualcomm’s proprietary code blobs and hardware documentation, so an unofficial, hacked-together build usually won’t reach the level of polish you get from an official release with every hardware company’s support. Lineage normally lives in the realm of aftermarket phone tinkerers, so that’s fine.

Fairphone is a Google app licensee, though, and this is an official release, so there’s a higher bar for quality. Lineage has to pass Google’s approval process, aka the “Compatibility Test Suite,” a battery of tests that ensures manufacturers have built Android correctly. The software won’t have any major compatibility problems with apps, and it will adhere to all of Google’s mandated policies for Android. Fairphone almost seems critical of Google’s compatibility process, too, saying it “is getting more and more complex” with each new Android release, and the Android 9 features “480,000” tests. Fairphone wasn’t sure it could ship an official build of Android 9 until it came up with solutions for all of Google’s test requirements.

As for the company’s current phones, the Fairphone 3 and 3+, the company says it’s planning an Android 11 update in the second half of this year. Fairphone says Qualcomm is planning to kill support for the Snapdragon 632 chip that underpins these phones in July 2021. Fairphone wants to deliver “at least one more major Android update” after Android 11, but that will mean doing another update without Qualcomm’s support.

As always with Android, things will get better in the future. The Fairphone 3, as an Android 10 launch phone, supports Project Treble, a major re-architecting of Android that separates the OS from the hardware support. Treble was built to exactly solve the problem the older Fairphone 2 is having—the separation means a company could theoretically update Android without needing support from its chipset vendor.

Today, Qualcomm promises three years of chipset support for major updates, which was pitched as a big improvement over the two years it used to give. That is still nowhere near as long as Apple, which offers around five years of support for an iPhone. Qualcomm previously explained to Ars that “The length of time a chipset is supported… is determined in collaboration with our customers,” but here’s a customer asking for more support—and it’s not happening.

Tausche closed the video saying that, even though the work was difficult, Fairphone wanted to set an example. Tausche said, “We are proud to show the industry that, even with our small team, it’s possible to support your phones longer.”

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Qualcomm Announces Snapdragon 780G: New 5nm 765 Successor

Today Qualcomm is announcing the successor to last year’s quite successful Snapdragon 765 line-up, a “premium” tier that the company had debuted, featuring the same higher-end features as on the flagship Snapdragon 800 series, albeit at lower performances.

The new Snapdragon 780G follows up on its predecessor with some large upgrades in terms of performance and multimedia capabilities, doubling up the number of large cores – increasing GPU performance by significant amounts, and featuring the new more performant fused AI engine with the new Hexagon 770 DSP. Furthermore, camera capture abilities have also seen great improvements with the new Spectra 570 triple-ISP.

Qualcomm Snapdragon Premium SoCs
SoC Snapdragon 765

Snapdragon 765G
Snapdragon 768G

Snapdragon 780G

CPU 1x Cortex-A76
@ 2.3GHz (non-G)
@ 2.4GHz (765G)

1x Cortex-A76
@ 2.2GHz

6x Cortex-A55
@ 1.8GHz

1x Cortex-A76
@ 2.8GHz

1x Cortex-A76
@ 2.4GHz

6x Cortex-A55
@ 1.8GHz

1x Cortex-A78
@ 2.4GHz

3x Cortex-A78
@ 2.2GHz

4x Cortex-A55
@ 1.9GHz

GPU Adreno 620 

 

Adreno 620

+15% perf over 765G

Adreno 642

+50% perf over 768G

DSP / NPU Hexagon 696
HVX + Tensor

5.4TOPS AI
(Total CPU+GPU+HVX+Tensor)

Hexagon 770
Scalar+Tensor+Vector

12TOPs AI
(Total CPU+GPU+DSP)

Memory
Controller
2x 16-bit CH

@ 2133MHz LPDDR4X / 17.0GB/s

ISP/Camera Dual 14-bit Spectra 355 ISP

1x 192MP 
or
1x 36MP ZSL
or
2x 22MP with ZSL

Triple 14-bit Spectra 570 ISP

1x 192MP
or
1x 84MP ZSL
or
2x 64+20MP ZSL
or
3x 25MP ZSL

Encode/
Decode
2160p30, 1080p120
H.264 & H.265

10-bit HDR pipelines

Integrated Modem Snapdragon X52
Integrated

(LTE Category 24/22)
DL = 1200 Mbps
4x20MHz CA, 256-QAM
UL = 210 Mbps
2x20MHz CA, 256-QAM

(5G NR Sub-6 4×4 100MHz
+ mmWave 2×2 400MHz)
DL = 3700 Mbps
UL = 1600 Mbps

Snapdragon X53 Integrated

(LTE Category 24/22)
DL = 1200 Mbps
4x20MHz CA, 256-QAM
UL = 210 Mbps
2x20MHz CA, 256-QAM

(5G NR Sub-6 4×4 100MHz)
DL = 3300 Mbps
UL = ? Mbps

Mfc. Process Samsung
7nm (7LPP)
Samsung
5nm (5LPE)

At heart, the new Snapdragon 780G is a very different SoC to its predecessor as it changes up the CPU configuration quite substantially. We’re moving from a 1+1+6 config, to a newer 1+3+4 setup, including a prime Cortex-A78 core at 2.4GHz, three Cortex-A78 cores at 2.2GHz, and four Cortex-A55 cores at 1.9GHz. Qualcomm promises CPU uplifts of up to 40% – the doubling of the large cores as well as the new microarchitecture employed should indeed offer a good boost in everyday user experience.

On the GPU side, we’re seeing the use of a new Adreno 642. As usual Qualcomm doesn’t disclose much details on the design here, but they disclose a generational performance uplift of up to +50% over the Snapdragon 768G, meaning over the 765G that should grow to +72%. Based on our past benchmarks, this should end up with similar performance as the Adreno 640 of the Snapdragon 855 flagship from a few years ago – meaning the GPU is seemingly aptly named in terms of its performance.

Qualcomm is employing its newest fused scalar+tensor+vector DSP and AI engine in the new Snapdragon 780G, meaning it should be equal in terms of its architectural design as the new unit on the Snapdragon 888, albeit at lower performance levels. Qualcomm advertises 12TOPs of AI performance across all the IP blocks of the SoC, which is over 2x over that of the predecessor.

In terms of DRAM, the SoC remains a 2x16b LPDDR4X-2133 design, which seems to be crucial for cost reduction in this market segment.

A very large upgrade in capabilities is found on the part of the camera ISPs. Again, much like the DSP, the new design follows up with the similar new IP architecture as employed in the Snapdragon 888, employing a new triple Spectra 570 block that is capable of operating three RGB camera sensors concurrently. 192MP captures are possible for single modules (with shutter lag), or in terms of zero shutter lag operation we can see either 1x 84MP, 64+20MP or 3x 25MP sensor configurations. In terms of video encoding, we don’t see mention of much changes compared to the predecessor so we assume that video capture abilities remain the same.

What’s very interesting of the new design and probably telling of the wider market at large, is the fact that the new part no longer advertises mmWave capability on the part of its modem. The new X53 modem has seemingly chopped off this feature from its spec sheet. Generally, mmWave remains an extremely niche feature that’s currently only widely deployed in select US cities globally. Given that the SoCs target devices at lower price points, and we’ve seen some extremely cheap Snapdragon 765 phones in the past year, mmWave capabilities were probably contradictory to the market segment these phones were targeting – vendors always have the possibility to use higher-end solutions such as the Snapdragon 870 if they want to include mmWave connectivity.

Finally, the new SoC is manufactured on Samsung’s 5LPE process node, which is an upgrade over the 7LPP node of last year’s Snapdragon 765. While the node doesn’t seem to be as promising when compared to TSMC’s 5nm node, it being employed in a SoC in this price category is definitely a positive and should show notable gains against its predecessor.

Qualcomm plans to bundle the Snapdragon 780G SoC with the FastConnect 6900 Wi-Fi chips which feature Wi-Fi 6E connectivity, hopefully signalling a wider spread of adopting of the new 6GHz spectrum technology.

The Snapdragon 780G is expected to see deployment in commercial devices in the second quarter of 2021.

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